
Originally Posted by s0095063
There isn't a way to beat roulette (long term consistently) that doesnt involve a bonus or faulty equipment, the maths behind it is iron tight.
Well maybe there is. Your post reminded me of something I saw someone post on another forum; it was a large post detailing a Roulette system, but in the middle of the post he wrote this himself in bold type:
The system is guaranteed to work on a table with no maximum and with unlimited funds.
... which I think sums up all Roulette systems perfectly!
KK

Originally Posted by Andy
We now know the system Todd uses, I wont be using it but thats just my personal choice.
I think that Tod hasn't disclosed his new system mate, he said "i havent done this for ages and when i did i made about £300£350 and lost interest and stopped doing it."
Unless I'm missing something.
My view is the 5 red/black is an interesting system though.

Originally Posted by Andy
We now know the system Todd uses, I wont be using it but thats just my personal choice
this isnt the system im using......
the 5 reds in a row is a system i used years ago and had a go again tonight after talking about it, the system im using now is betting on one number and one number alone..
if you do the system and it works the minimum you can make is 25p (hey profits profit right,) the maximum you can make is £272.75 so there is a big difference in minimum and maximum you can win from any one winning attempt of the system...
the profit from a successful attempt of the system all depends just when you hit your number
i have a set loss for this system and it is £575.75, when that day comes ill probably just pack up and take any profit/loss that has incured..
if i use the system and hit my number on the 11th attempt i make £6.25 profit, if i hit my number of the 76th attempt i make £26.25, if i hit my number on the 126th attempt i make £272.75 profit so i never know what any profit is going to be any given time i win.
my thinking is that i will win enough times to cover that time that the maths cathces up with me and i lose
im currently in the process of fine tuning the staking plan, right now i have 143 attempts of hitting my number and if i hit my number inside those 143 attempts i will be profitable and that profit is determined just when it is i hit the number...
with some tweaking i can get the attempts up to 200+ and still make a profit
it is 36/1 to hit any given number on a roulette wheel....i am giving myself 143 attempts to hit a 36/1 shot, after ive tweaked the staking plan ill probably have in the region of 250+ attmepts to hit a 36/1 shot
at the end of the day its a game and a game i intend to enjoy trying to come out ahead of
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Originally Posted by wobbler
My view is the 5 red/black is an interesting system though.
everyone knows there is always runs of the same colour, at the end of the day the payout for 5 reds in a row is 31/1 if you are doubling the bet everytime you win
if a run of 5 reds (or blacks) comes once in 32 attempts you wont lose money
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Originally Posted by dreamylittledream
Variance will give you a whole variety of individual results but rather like the EV line in the end you will end up down...
this isnt exactly true.....
everyone goes on about the house edge and how it cant be beat and in the end you will only ever lose at roulette, this is not completly true, yes it maybe true over an infinate amount of time but an infinate amount of time doesnt exist! i could play roulette everyday for the rest of my life and end up in profit
the roulette wheel has no memory it has a 48.65% chance of landing on red and a 48.65% chance of landing on black and a 2.7% chance of landing on green (0)
now the maths tells you that every 10,000 spins mathmatically it should land on red 4865 times and black 4865 times and green 270 times and this can happen...but it WONT
somewhere over those 10,000 spins varience will kick in and disrupt "the maths" of a roulette wheel, if it is positive varience you will profit and if it is negative then you will lose
just say i staked £5 on red over 10,000 spins for an outlay of £50,000, now the maths tells me i should only hit red 4865 times out of that 10,000 and end up with £48,650 and a loss of £1350
for me to make profit betting £5 on red over 10,000 spins i would need red to come up at least 5001 times, this is only 136 reds over 10,000 spins more than "the maths" says
is it impossible after 10,000 spins to have red 5001+ times??? NO IT ISNT and over 10,000 spins an extra 136 times on top of the maths is not huge varience, in fact it is pretty small!
there is no reason whatsoever that after 10,000 spins red comes up 7865 times and black only 1865 and green 270 times
please someone out there tell me this cannot happen and ill buy you your own personal dunces hat
so now we know there is no mathimatical reason that after 10,000 spins of a roulette wheel that you cannot end up profitable
there is no reason that 10,000 reds couldnt come up in a row, the roulette wheel has no memory, it doesnt know what it landed on LTO, the odds of it happening are just ridiculous and it would never happen but there is no mathimatical reason that it could NEVER happen and therefor YOU CAN BEAT ROULETTE IN YOUR LIFETIME
my whole point is that is not 100% guarenteed that you will eventually lose at roulette, if i have 10,000 spins at 1 spin a day for just over 27 years and i hit red 5001+ times over 10,000 spins i would have played roulette everyday for over 27 years and came out ahead
so that saying of "the maths will ALWAYS catch up with you" just isnt true
You can play roulette your whole life and never be on the wrong side of the varience.......
Some people will play roulette there whole life and never be on the right side it..
roulette is RANDOM and therefor there is no mathimatical certainty that ANYTHING will ever happen!
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Well so much for the premium members area  roulette systems with progressive staking, thats page one stuff...
[Edit  have just realised this isn't casino bonuses but is instead strategies, its late.]

You'll have to order me an extra large dunces cap 
roulette is RANDOM and therefor there is no mathimatical certainty that ANYTHING will ever happen
is flawed and anything based on that 'hope' is flawed.

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Originally Posted by butjoint
You'll have to order me an extra large dunces cap 
the dunces hat is only for people who think after 10,000 spins of a roulette wheel that there cannot be 5001+ reds
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Originally Posted by tod1999
this isnt exactly true.....
everyone goes on about the house edge and how it cant be beat and in the end you will only ever lose at roulette, this is not completly true, yes it maybe true over an infinate amount of time but an infinate amount of time doesnt exist! i could play roulette everyday for the rest of my life and end up in profit
the roulette wheel has no memory it has a 48.65% chance of landing on red and a 48.65% chance of landing on black and a 2.7% chance of landing on green (0)
now the maths tells you that every 10,000 spins mathmatically it should land on red 4865 times and black 4865 times and green 270 times and this can happen...but it WONT
somewhere over those 10,000 spins varience will kick in and disrupt "the maths" of a roulette wheel, if it is positive varience you will profit and if it is negative then you will lose
just say i staked £5 on red over 10,000 spins for an outlay of £50,000, now the maths tells me i should only hit red 4865 times out of that 10,000 and end up with £48,650 and a loss of £1350
for me to make profit betting £5 on red over 10,000 spins i would need red to come up at least 5001 times, this is only 136 reds over 10,000 spins more than "the maths" says
is it impossible after 10,000 spins to have red 5001+ times??? NO IT ISNT and over 10,000 spins an extra 136 times on top of the maths is not huge varience, in fact it is pretty small!
In your example you are probably right because 10,000 spins is not enough. Somewhere over the course of hundreds of thousands of spins all variance will balance out and you will end up 2.7% down.
I'm on the side of the fence that the roulette wheel can't be beaten long term but I wish you luck Todd and I be happy to be proven wrong
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