I would doubt the 'bigot' remark will crop up tonight...all negative comments don't seem to play well with the "worm marking" (the system they are using to gauge the reaction of floating voters) - think the spin doctors would have taken this on board.
I thought the 0-2 would come good, didn't get to see the debate (was watching the mighty Fulhm!) but "debt" couldn't have been the first word. Anyone know what it was? Can't find a transcript of the debate yet.
I think Dimbleby introduced the debate as being about the recession, debt... so recession first if it included what he was able to say rather than just the leaders.
Originally Posted by wobbler
Great post, I only just read it
And didnt watch the "debate" which I use losely its not really a debate and I will be making my mind up based on what MY constituancy MPs are saying. Thats actually who I am voting for. Not any of those three.
That is an amazing euphanism for a school of 300 children having 10 teachers to now having 8 teachers. Look how efficient we are now boys! No your not more efficient its just 30 per teacher is now nearly 38 so its a worse service. Replace the above for Police, Firemen, Doctors, Dustbin Men, etc etc etc. They will be the same people after the election as they were before they are not suddenly going to be more efficient if there is less of them, they just wont be able to do as good a job.
Originally Posted by musicbox
Originally Posted by musicbox
Best Election Pledge by any Party that I have seen so far:
Introduce 99p coins to save on the need for change.
Election Pledges which would make me vote for that candidate/Party:
Join the Eurozone (no joke)
Allow more immigration/make it easier to move here (no joke)
Legalise all drugs completely 100%, tax and regulate it properly. (no joke)
I appreciate the above three are not going the most popular of views but I think they are the three things which might just save us from one hell of a depression in the next few years.
Have a plan and stick to it
There are a number of questionable policies including the Tories capped non-EU immigration one which, even if it was a good idea, creates distrust because it's almost imaginary in a way, seemingly useless to the perceived situation and requiring lots of talk to set it each year with people who will no doubt say 'can't cope with one more gov!'... BUT that Lib Dem immigration policy is the major policy blunder of the election I think and it just played out worse and worse under scrutiny.
Previously Clegg stated that his belief was that there are 900k illegals in Britain by telling the others that they couldn't deport 900k people when they didn't know where they lived.
The day before Clegg said that, Cable had been on the Beeb saying no-one could possibly know a figure cos they were illegal. This makes sense but doesn't that make the policy even more incredible? To literally say that an unknown number (+ 1 spouse per unknown person) could potentially become legal without going through the process anyone trying to arrive legally has to go through?
Tonight, Cameron used a lower figure of 600k illegals which, with spouses included, doubled to 1.2m of course. Bizarrely, even after saying 900k previously, didn't Clegg appeared to laugh off the figures as ridiculous? WTF?!
An hour later on Questiontime, Cable again reiterated no-one knew the figures and asked Liam Fox (Con) where 600k was coming from!
Cable denied their policy was an amnesty but merely an approval system whereby illegals could come out of the shadows if they could prove they spoke English and had lived here ten years they could do some community service and then start earning legitimately and paying tax.
Well, if I'm living illegally in a country, high up on my priorities for staying under the radar isn't a will to keep paperwork relating to the date I entered the country illegally and what I've been doing these past ten years. Will my fake passport stamp do Vince? (I'm being overly cruel here only to suggest how impossible it may be to prove such a thing)
Post debate, a Lib Dem was asked about the policy and said the amnesty was for those who hadn't broken the law... so, none of them then? What part of illegal immigration isn't illegal?
Now I realise this could read very anti-immigration and it's true, I hate them all, especially that race called Liverpudlians (don't hurt me)... nono, while I can't say my best friend is a gay black Muslim from Worcester, it is true that my wife is not British and my son is dual national too so my basic point is not anti-immigrant since I'm sure I was Norwegian not too long ago but; how the hell did any political party get to a stage where they could present that policy as a serious policy to the British public of 2010? Nick Clegg did pretty well overall... of course, the unknown getting some air time helps. But he could have been awful and he largely held his own throughout.
But seriously, if Mrs Duffy 'represents' the core Labour vote and her question on immigration gets brushed off as biggoted (and Brown failed twice to address the question again tonight) then such voters aren't too likely to leap to Tory before looking at the Lib Dems, right? But they see that Lib Dem policy which is saying exactly what they don't want to hear! So now what, either don't vote or even worse vote for the party that exploits these poorer areas and get the far right in Westminster? Or bite your lip and vote for a man who was mortified with himself only yesterday and today he looked rigormoritified with himself.
Go on, what do you think! Best moment, worst moment? Do you think Clegg had his moment but people will not get past maybe the immigration policy and Trident? Will Brown even make it to election day? And so on...
I do wonder if the Tories will do better than the polls suggest, based on the following:
- I suspect that some people won't admit to voting Tory as they're still perceived as the Bad Guys by many. But what people do in a private voting booth may be different.
- I think a lot of English people simply won't vote for a Scottish PM.
- There's a reasonable chance that in fact nothing that's happened so far will count for anything & in fact everyone will just vote for whoever The Sun tells them to on the day.
I may be totally wrong though!
Have to say it may me laugh when Nick said to David 'To save time, let me assume everytime you talk about our policies you get it wrong.'
btw, that poor bigoted woman will now be a rich bigoted woman as she's sold her story to the Sunday Mail for 100,000.. They are Tory supporters, so it's going to be very damming to Gordon...
That's a lot of money for a pensioner. Perhaps she'll emigrate.
For anyone that can't decide who to vote for, this may help:-
How should I vote in the General Election 2010? - Telegraph
I came up 89% UKIP
"Bomber likes you!" R.I.P. Pat 1937 - 2004