They are idiots for so many reasons.
Originally Posted by bella
He has made speeches before about Eastern European immigrants taking jobs from "British" people and they should not be here. Behind him (and im not really sure why) there was large posters of amoungst other things a Spitfire. The Spitfire had the registration markings of the 303 Polish Air Regiment. The Irony!
BNP uses Polish Spitfire in anti-immigration poster - Telegraph
Have a plan and stick to it
I think Britain kids itself by pretending people vote for him on the basis it's a protest vote or something and that actual out and out cultural and racial elitism doesn't exist in this country. Everyone knows the one thing he stands for and it's about time the other parties stopped putting the BNP vote down to protest and accepted some people actually think that way!
But how anyone can go to the voters with this level of knowledge, I do not know (from the last two days):
General Election: BNP Leader Nick Griffin Quizzed On Economy By Jeff Randall And Adam Boulton | Politics | Sky News
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I'm actually considering doing something I've never done before and not voting
Labour Cons: I don't like Gordon Brown, I don't think the Labour party have any credibility left to take us forward and my MP is Yvette Cooper.
Labour Pro's: I have a part time job and I receive working tax and family tax credit, which the other two parties may take off me
Lib Dem Cons: I'm really unhappy with the trident policy. Nuclear dis-armourment may be a noble vision but after our involvement in the Middle East surely we need a Nuclear deterrent more than ever.
Lib Dem Pro's: Almost everything else!! I don't have problems with the vast majority of their manifesto but that trident thing is a BIG issue
Conservative Cons: David Cameron, don't like him. I think he's disingenuous and will say whatever is needed to get what he wants. For instance I hate the way he harps on about his kids going to a state school, if I could afford it (and let's face it Cameron can) my kids would be in private education. I can only assume his reasons are political. He needs to be himself, I have no problems with his upbringing, schooling, wealth etc so long as he is the right man for the job, so stop pretending to be middle class.
Conservative Pro's: Probably the party who can take the economy forward, simply on a confidence level. The City and financial institutions probably have more confidence in the Conservatives and this will be reflected in a post election "bounce"
In reality I would probably like to see a hung Parliament where two parties of equal size form a coalition. A coalition between a big party and a small party gives disproportionate power to the small party. As the ruling party Labour would have the first attempt at forming a coalition so it would be interesting from a purely "How would they arrange their personnel" view to see what happened if the Lib Dems came second in the election. Surely any coalition would have the leader of the bigger party as it's leader and therefore Prime Minister, so would Gordon stand down and let Clegg takeover for the sake of the party? Would we see Clegg as PM and Brown back to the treasury? Would Clegg back down and let Brown as minority leader continue as PM to show the country what a Lid Dem government could do? His other option would be to form a coalition with the Conservatives where he wouldn't be PM anyway and the party would be in the minority!
Worst case scenario would be the Conservatives falling just short of the seats needed to form a government and forming a coalition with 1 or 2 minority parties such as the Ulster Unionists. Imagine a situation where the majority party can't get legislation through without the support of 10 minority MP's, how much power do those 10 then hold?
For anyone not old enough to remember (myself included but I studied politics) the last hung Parliament was in 1974 (the year I was born) and was the (in)famous Lib/Lab pact between the Labour Party and the then Liberal Party. It lasted less than 9 months and a 2nd general election was called later that year, which the Labour party won.
Depending on where you live, I would always prefer to vote rather than not vote if anything just to stop the BNP/UKIP type parties getting through because their supporters vote whilst their opposers don't.
Originally Posted by SteveSharpe
We don't get to vote for the three main parties where I live, John Bercow our current MP is speaker of the house of commons, so the three main parties don't stand against him by tradition(!) so we get to vote for a whole list of independents, most of whom I have never heard of, no campaigns, no leaflets, nothing, along with John Bercow, UKIP's Nigel Farage, BNP, Christian Party, Monster Raving Looney party etc. Choices, choices!
IMO that depends hugely on where you live. In some areas state schools are really high standard, just as good as what you'd pay for privately. In run-down areas state schools are often abysmal.
Originally Posted by SteveSharpe
(no idea what the schools are like where Cameron lives, I don't know where he lives!)
Whether it's Cameron sending his kids to a state school or Labour ministers using the private system, they are breaking the mould of what we're supposed to expect of them. I think the reason no-one really questions why Cameron uses the state sector is because his children are attending good schools and it's reasonable for parents to want to send them children to good schools - if it's free, all the better. If he was sending them to a failing state school when he could afford to send them one mile away to a great school, it would be so obvious he was putting points scoring before his own kids that he'd be shunned, most likely be his family first!
Of course, the repeated mentioning of using the state schooling system is to political effect in the end just like the relative silence from Labour on some of their personal opt-outs of the state schooling system. I agree Cameron is likely quite a shallow character - after all, if you go up one level from local MP into the realms of a system which rewards those who tow the party line and churn out speeches written by thoroughly indecent people like Alistair Campbell and so on, you're hardly likely to be 'one of us' - that goes for Brown, Clegg, Griffin, whoever. How can a real person with real convictions ever succeed in politics today? But on this schoooling subject, Cameron can't win - if he sent his kids to private school it re-enforces the 'them and us' attitude we have in this country and if he does what he is doing then it's for political purposes.
The one thing I just wish Labour would stop doing is re-enforcing the 'them and us' thing I just mentioned. I was educated in an independent because they set aside a budget to help people from poorer backgrounds and I kept asking my mum if I could try to sit the exam to get in. We had no way of paying but I had an aspiration not to just go along with my friends into a school I really didn't want to go to but to give it a shot and see if I could do it. Yes, Eton has the kinds of posh rich thing about it, no-one would say it doesn't But like it or not, it is the pinnacle of the independent school system in our land and some of the people who have gone through it have gone on to great prominence in this country and the world. It is not something I want any politician to use as in some way shameful - of course, if you have a problem with policies and with personal attitudes displayed by people, say so. But stop panning children who either are or want to be going to the kind of school you yourself either send yours to to would happily do so!
Just done the test from the link and it came out LibDems 60%. Without a doubt it is time for a change...except that I live in a staunch Conservative area and so nobody has a chance of getting in from another party. I reckon if they put a monkey in a suit with a blue rosette on it would win hands down. It's a shame really. I'm generally fed up with politicians, but I will vote (even if it means spoiling my ballot paper). I really can't understand why some really important issues are not on people's minds eg stupid telephone number sized house prices, large petrol costs and the poor/expensive alternatives, rising food costs and the threat of real hardship on the way for the masses. Perhaps they are so exhausted and up to their eyeballs in debt they just don't give it a second thought!
When I said not vote, I meant not cast my vote, I would still turn up. I believe voting should be compulsory, so long as there is a section for none of the above.
I have a dislike for most politicians, as stated above the type of person who succeeds in politics is usually the type of person who has no real core values. Someone once said "anyone who wants to be a politician should immediately be banned from standing for election". Never a truer word spoken in jest.
I'd not thought about the quality of Cameron's local school's Fella, so thanks for bringing that up. I also agree that many Labour politicians send their kids to private school (Diane Abbot? who's other views are about as socialist as it comes) which is against expectation. My problem though is when politicians use families for political point scoring.
Btw, has anyone been betting on the election/running a book! If so, how are you doing?
I'm going to vote against Labour, probably LibDem as they are the party in 2nd place here.
Don't like what Labour have done, particularly since Brown took over. I think he is far more dishonest than most other politicians, and when the books are next audited I think UK PLC will be in a far worse position than we are already aware of. It was rough the last time the Tories were in, and I remember it well, but I believe the longer Br(Cl)own is left in power the rougher the period after his demise will be.