Panorama 20:30 Nov 5th - Gambling Nation
I dont expect anything new here that is not common sense and has been said before, I dont know why they keep rehashing the same stuff... Basicly gambling is bad and it is all the fault of the evil bookmakers.
"Even in recession-hit Britain, the gambling industry is still making a profit - £5.6 billion last year. With casino-style gambling now available day or night at the touch of a button in our homes and on our phones, Panorama explores its popularity..."
I dont know where or how they got £5.6 Billion from and have they deducted the amounts lost through bookmakers going bust? Also didn't we come out of recession in the last quarter? Not that its particularly relevant but if you are going to make throw away, inaccurate, statements before we have even got to the program I am not filled with much hope!
"Reporter Sophie Raworth hears from those who have found their lives spiralling out of control, and from industry insiders who say violence and frustration, linked to fast-paced high-stake gambling machines, are increasing in our high street betting shops. Panorama goes undercover in some of Britain's bookies to test those claims."
Industry Insiders, that would be anyone who works in a betting shop, is not as "James Bond" as she has tried to imply there. Is there going to be claims and examples of violent acts, unpleasant behaviour, etc etc recently carried out? Its 1/10 there will be. Is there going to be any research/examples/graphs showing the amount of violence in betting shops BEFORE the Roulette machines were installed and the amount happening now? IE Is there a correlation which is what they are already heavily implying? 10/1 says there wont. There may actually be a correlation I dont know otherwise, I am just confident this documentary wont have bothered to find out.
The show will be a lot of blaming everyone and anyone EXCEPT the person who decides to put into the machine more than they can afford to lose. And that is what it comes down to. There is nothing wrong with gambling. There is nothing wrong with losing money gambling it is just another type of spending. There is a problem losing more than you can afford to lose. That is 100% the fault/decision of the person who placed the bets. If you go into a bookmakers and are somehow drawn to/encouaged or enticed into gambling on the Roulette machines then the answer is simple... dont go into the bookies then.
There have been petitions to have them banned (Ban Fixed Odds Betting Terminals from the highstreet Petition ) but I dont think they have ever gained much support, I would be in favour of banning them, but I dont think it would really make a lot of difference. The Government has sanctioned gambling from an early age since at just 16 whilst still attending school you can buy as many scratchcards and lottery tickets as you like, it could be you!
This is a good video to watch (and its only two minutes) if you really want to learn the truth about FOBT:
The whole truth about Bookmakers Roulette Machines (FOBT) - YouTube
They are bad if misused, I know that, you know that, everyone knows that. Same as alcohol, fast cars, lots of things actually. Lots of things are fun if used responsibly, and bad if they are used recklessly. It is pretty obvious.
Have a plan and stick to it
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Here are a number of links discussing the Panorama hysteria:
Panorama | Mark Davies - Mark Davies' blog (Betfair founder), amusing that when he tried to add some rationale to the mix he was told to dial it in:
A Guardian blog entry:
I did a radio phone-in this morning on BBC Radio Wales, ahead of tonight’s Panorama programme on gambling.
It amused me that they kept mentioning the fact that “the programme will talk about a rise in violence in betting shops since the Gambling Act”, but when I said that “I would be very surprised if they succeed in demonstrating a rise in violence… They might show some examples of violence, but I doubt very much they will be able to present any empirical evidence that it has increased,” the presenter said, “well we shouldn’t speculate about what the programme will show until it goes out”. So it’s fine to speculate that it will do something that it can’t possibly do, but not so fine to speculate that it won’t manage it…
These gambling machines have doubled the number of addicts to half a million | Matt Zarb-Cousin | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
which is a puff piece for the Campaign for Fairer Gambling - details what needs to happen to cut back on the crack machines (basically cut back the number of FOBTs per shop and max stakes per machine, gaming operators will love that.. ).
Calvina Ayre article discussing the GC's response to the Panorama hysteria:
UK Gambling Participation Study Shows Remote Gambling Decline | Gambling News
essentially GC point out only 1.4% of punters play the machines compared to 1.8% last year (max has been 2.5% in 2009), fruit machines account for 2.6% (also down from 3.5% in 2011)... basically usage falling which counters the overall image that Panorama portrays of how usage of FOBTs is on the rise.
Worth pasting the article actually, save me paraphrasing it (badly):
Interesting the stats re national lottery making up a huge amount of online gambling per head in the UK.
UK Gambling Commission study dumps cold water (and facts) on FOBT hysteria by Steven Stradbrooke
While the BBC was feverishly bunching up its knickers over the allegedly pivotal role of betting shops’ fixed-odds betting terminals (FOBTs) in the decline and fall of the British Empire, the UK Gambling Commission is saying not so fast. The GC’s most recent gambling participation survey – conducted by ICM Research of some 4,000 individuals – showed that the number of respondents who’d reported putting money in a FOBT has actually declined. Of all respondents who reported engaging in some form of betting activity over the past nine months, 1.4% admitted using “virtual gaming machines in a bookmaker’s” shop, compared to 1.8% in 2011. In fact, the highest FOBT participation rate on record was 2.5% in 2009. “Fruit or slot machines” recorded a participation rate nearly double that of FOBTs (2.6%) but here again, the number declined from 2011’s 3.5%. Et tu, Panorama?
Looking beyond the betting shops, the GC survey revealed that remote gambling use among Britons was 12.4%, unchanged from 2011’s tally. But strip away those gamblers who only play the National Lottery online and the number falls to 5.5% compared to 6.1% in 2011. Those who opted for online action were far more likely to do so via their computer or laptop (11.2%, up from 11%) than their smartphone (3.4%, up from 2.9%)) or interactive/digital TV (0.9%, down from 1.3%). Men (13.5%) were more likely than women (11.4%) to have engaged in remote gambling, but the male participation rate fell from 14.8% last year while the female rate rose from 10.2%. Broken down by age group, remote gambling was enjoyed by 16.2% of those aged 18-24, 19.8% of those aged 25-34 and 18.3% of the 35-44 bracket. The numbers drop off significantly the older one goes, with just 2.6% of those over 65 having gambled online in the past four weeks.
Interestingly, while the National Lottery’s remote gambling figures are up slightly across the board, the same cannot be said for less pedestrian forms of betting. Remote sports and race betting participation fell from 2.7% in 2011 to 2.1% through the first nine months of 2012. Casino games fell from 0.9% to 0.7%, slots fell from 0.7% to 0.5% and poker fell from 0.9% to 0.5%. Even betting exchange use slipped from 0.5% to 0.4%. Clearly, unless a serious cold snap strikes the UK in the coming weeks, stranding gamblers in their houses with no way to wager except via digital devices, Christmas looks to be a proper humbug for online gambling firms.
With that in mind, we eagerly await the next breathless Beeb documentary on the urgent steps that must be taken if a once thriving UK industry is to not go the way of the coal mines. We imagine a raft of proposals being put on the table: telethons, government subsidies, perhaps even a temporary redirect of some of the BBC’s license fee revenue to help those struggling bookies. What say you, BBC?
Another article on the subject, again on CA:
Legal news | BBC Panorama tears gambling a new one
It's more of a summary of the Panorama article though than anything else.
Generally though, I did watch the programme and my overwhelming reaction was how poor Panorama really has got in the last few years, sensationalist hysterical claptrap that is on a par with the Daily Mail or Express at best and the red tops at worst. They seem more concerned with framing the subject of the programme in a bad light than doing decent research on the subject. Right from the start it was glaringly obvious that they'd come to a conclusion first and then gone out to try and find evidence to support that conclusion, knowing that it would be a popular piece because it plays well in the current economic climate with lots of people hard on their luck ready to bash the bookies (how dare they make a profit in a recession?). This despite the fact that on here we know how hard it is for gaming operators over the last few years with plenty of them going bust and taking our money with them...
And Sophie Raworth... why?!
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Panorama is utter pish these days. Also did you note how they find the most extreme degenerates they can find (the guy from Norwich was a case in point) deffo two sandwiches short of a picnic that fella was.
I find it best just to ignore Panorama because there is always an agenda with it, and we are paying for this crap from our licence fee.
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