Although i havnt specifically asked at Heors i would assume its the lower of risk/win as that is the standard and what its best to assume. It is that at Betjoint certainly.
To finish the wagering at these two, if you can set it so your first bet busts out from one of them into the other, then you will only have half the total wagering of the two to do anyway, and be 1x the wagering into that from the first bet.
Generally its best to assume you may need 2x the total wagering amount of a site and bonus available to you elsewhere to do counter bets. You may end up needing more if you have some bets at 3s+ win and they have only counted the risk amount to wagering but you lost the win amount elsewhere, but as a rule you will be "safe" at 2x, most of your bets will be at odds under 3s i should imagine it would be rare to get a close match at odds over that at these sorts of site.
So if the total wagering is $2400, have $4800 elsewhere just in case so you can cover it. Of course you might end up not needing a fraction of that but as a rule of thumb if you have that sort of cover you will be "safe".
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Well I had a hideous day yesterday! I emailed Heroes to check I was eligible for the bonus etc and they asked me to send my forum name and join date. No worries, I did that. Then I went to deposit and my troubles began! Firstly without noticing I had almost hit my moneybookers card limit which is something like £700 in 60 days.
I searched around and found a thread saying that you could increase this limit if you emailed them. I did this, they asked for copies of documents which I sent and of course they didn't reply so the max I could deposit to heroes (being the last day of the december offer)was £100.
"Ok" I thought, that's still a £50 bonus to earn so I went ahead and deposited only to then be told by moneybookers that the transaction had been declined.
Now I was getting a bit irritated so I phoned my bank (alliance + leicester) and was told that the "fraud department" have decreed that I can NEVER AGAIN use my card at moneybookers and that they NEVER CHANGE THEIR MINDS (that's how the woman spoke, a bit like a robot).
So, having sent a slightly arsey email to A+L, I'm all ready to switch to the nationwide account I opened last month and haven't used yet but , finally, here's my question.
How do you guys get to have large moneybookers card limits? I just got a reply from them saying they won't increase mine and if i want to put more money through them then I must use a bank transfer.
I have had the same problems. I had a large balance at moneybookers which I moved £1k to betfair then had a number of other bookies come up, particularly kidpokers excellent US bookie offers.
Still have 30 days before I can refund moneybookers. It's a nightmare trying to juggle funds and manage monies in different accounts to try to maximise as many offers as possible.
With regards to moneybookers problems, should I get a Neteller account also?
Should I get a $ or Euro account with neteller to accompany my sterling moneybookers account?
RE Moneybookers limits, i never actually withdraw money from moneybookers which means i have only ever actaully had to upload funds once. Sine then it has juggled about between bookmakers / exchanges / moneybookers but only ever between those three and it has slowly grown and grown. I know i have lost out on any interest if it was in a normal bank account but thats a small price to pay for A) Ringfencing my gambling funds, and B) Not have to worry about uploading money and keeping track of ins/outs as much.
I have a Neteller account also, which is in $s. I also dont withdraw from this and have just grown the balance in much the same way between bookmakers and my $s betfair account. When i do ever come to withdraw it will have to be by a £s cheque and i will pay the currency fee then, but every single transaction in $s up to then has been free and at a 1-1 rate so it is a very good idea to have a different account base in a different currency.
As an aside i used to have a Euro Mbookers account too but that had to go and I now just bite the bullet and pay the fees/conversion costs on any Euro offers i do, which is why i always try hard to keep them as £s or $s.
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Never withdrawn either. Just for me first time I have really ventured into US bookie offers, coupled with quite a lot of moneybookers activity at the start of the month and then tons of christmas/new year offers has just led to a little bit of money management needed.
I am going to open a dollar neteller account. Sounds a good idea. Did you say you had a dollar betfair account? Alongside a sterling one I presume. That sounds interesting
Yes, you can have as many betfair accounts in as many currencies as you want, just fund it with a different method each time. If your using a new $ Neteller account that would work perfectly, initially betfair charge a small % to deposit but its always refunded within 48hrs.
Originally Posted by The Glenbuck Laird
P.S. You even get a new sign up bonus, just dont take the P*** and use your own code on your existing account, use a friends.
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That sounds very annoying... I don't think I've ever deposited into my MB account using a card, I've always used bank transfer. It usually takes what... 3-5 days, standard (well old standard) BACS transfer but I've deposited maybe a thousand each time... perhaps only done that twice or so and since then have always had more than enough money in Moneybookers (or in bookie accounts that were funded by MB at least) not to have to worry about it.
Originally Posted by wndllll
Very harsh though if that's what they said at A&L. I had heard some banks don't like you using your current account for gambling, can't remember which now though unfortunately. Nationwide didn't seem to mind when I mentioned it at the branch though, so hopefully they should be less bothered.
can you anyone point me in the direction of a dutching xls that allows american odds?
can someone advise whether the free play at betjoint is SNR or not please?
The matcher_3f.xls spreadsheet will do the conversion for you, it's on this forum (or a link to it anyway), just search...
Have to say though I really do prefer American odds for match betting, much easier to find arbs than using decimal notation... if it's a two way dutch/arb then just add up the american odds and if it's over zero then you're in the money!
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