
Originally Posted by wailoktam
Thanks for directing me to the threads on multiples. I get the idea to lay each leg once. My problem is to work out the exact odd for each leg with the bonus of 5% awarded for the final winning.
If all legs have the same odd, this is trivial. For a double, I can work out the final combined odd and take the square root of it.
When all legs have different odds, I have no idea how the final bonus percentage would be distributed among them. The old thread on multiples does not have any clue for this.
Any mathematical genius here can help?
If you get a 5% bonus if your multiple wins, then you'd just calculate stake*multiple_odds + 5%  so if you bet £10 on a multiple at odds of 10 and the multiple won, you'd win £10*10 + 5% = £100 + £5 = £105.

Whats the difference between over/under 2.5 and
goal line over/under 2.5?

Hi Guys,
Could do with some help regarding the bookmaker offer. So far I have signed up for the 100% £100 deposit bonus, managed to bust out of the £100 freeplay for £65 profit thanks to srh1984 holding my hand through the process. Now all I need to do is wager the £100 (my money) that's left in there. I would ideally like to lose at bookmaker otherwise I will have to fulfil the 2k wr but not sure how to go about it? Do I just dutch the NBA and hope to bust out for a few quid loss or underlay in some way to minimize my losses? I spent most of yesterday evening looking for a decent dutch in the NBA but the best I could find was 2.02/1.91 on the spreads. Any help would be much appreciated. BE

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I would ideally like to lose at bookmaker otherwise I will have to fulfil the 2k wr
As would everyone else... most people always try to bust out  to save the cost of the WR. This "cost" is the amount you lose on each bet, the time you spend doing it, and the fact that your money is tied up while you're doing it.
but not sure how to go about it? Do I just dutch the NBA and hope to bust out for a few quid loss or underlay in some way to minimize my losses?
To a certain extent, busting out is a matter of luck. Your bet can just as easily win and you can end up stuck in there having to complete the WR.
Many people will underdutch (or underlay) the bet at the opposite book. This means that if your bet wins at the Book you are getting the bonus at (in this case Bookmaker), you will win more than you would do if it wins at your matching side. This will help compensate the cost of completing the WR if you have to.
A Dutch of 2.02/1.91 isn't a bad match by the way  I take worse than that! One of the things that really held me up was trying to find no losses and arbs, turnover is much more powerful.
Taking that 2.02/1.91 as an example, dutching equealy you would stake your £100 on 2.02 at Bookmaker, and £105.76 at Book 2. That returns £202 whatever the result and you have stakes £205.76, which is a £3.76 loss whatever the result.
Now let's say you wanted to underdutch to compensate you doing the WR if you have to. Decide how much you want to underdutch by  this isn't cast in stone  it's a personal thing. Let's say you choose 30%. Knock 0.3 off your odds at Bookmaker (2.02 becomes 1.72) and calculate your stakes from that.
So this time, you stake your £100 at Bookmaker at 2.02, but you bet £90.11 on the other side.
If Bookmaker bet wins, you will return £202 and will have stakes £190.11, so you have an extra £11.89 profit to help you with the WR.
If the Book B bet wins, you will return £172.11 from £202 stakes, a loss of £29.11, but you have already made £65 from your freeplay, so you're still in profit.
That's one method  either underdutching or underlaying to compensate you if you have to do the WR, sometimes what I do is to bet at odds that are not "too big", so that if I win my balance doesn't build up too much  then I can have another go at busting out. In fact, i did this last night.

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Originally Posted by loikloik
Whats the difference between over/under 2.5 and
goal line over/under 2.5?
Nothing, they are the same bet. Goal line is another term for the under/over market.

Originally Posted by bold_eagle26
Could do with some help regarding the bookmaker offer
LandOfProfits said pretty much exactly what I would have said/would do only a bit better than I could have done.
The only difference is I would not be worrying about the pences I would just bet £100 at SiteA and maybe £80 at SiteB but it would always be a roundish figure.
Also the site I would be hitting bookmaker against I would make it either another site where I also have a wagering on the go there too anyway so im killing two birds with one stone (only one of them can win which helps with the "trying to bust out") and/or do it with a new cashable bonus reload, even if its only 10% or 20% (pretty freely available at 911) you can use that to bust even more bonus $s into bookmaker should you actually win there.
You cant ever really predict where you will win and lose but I always hedge it so that if the total wagering will go up so has the total $s, but importantly the ratio of $s to remaining wagering is always going down (even if in absolute terms it goes up).
Have a plan and stick to it

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Originally Posted by Andy
The only difference is I would not be worrying about the pences I would just bet £100 at SiteA and maybe £80 at SiteB but it would always be a roundish figure.
Yeah sorry  I wouldn't bet in pence/cents at a Book, I just presented the figures as I worked them out  but yes, you would round the figure up or down.
Also the site I would be hitting bookmaker against I would make it either another site where I also have a wagering on the go there too anyway so im killing two birds with one stone (only one of them can win which helps with the "trying to bust out") and/or do it with a new cashable bonus reload, even if its only 10% or 20% (pretty freely available at 911) you can use that to bust even more bonus $s into bookmaker should you actually win there.
A good way to use time effectively.
Something else to bear in mind which is a bit different from the above method  I tend to use Matchbook quite a bit because I like it, and I get used to the interface, I have a balance in there (not too much though). What I will try to do is bust out of the Book into Matchbook. Again, you can't guarantee this, but I will bet on the dog at the Book, but find odds of, let's say +250 (3.5) ish. By doing this I am hoping to lose at the Book, but if it does win, since the odds are quite low I don't build up a massive balance, and I can then have another go at busting out of the book. You're taking a chunk off the WR each time you get anyway. I think a good point to take from this paragraph is that you don't have to start grinding through the WR just because you haven't busted out on the first bet.
My theory behind this, is that you are "looking after" your book, they will like you if you are losing, and since you are using an exchange on the other side you are not going to fry your account there.
I'm not saying I do this all of the time, sometimes I will underdutch and all the rest of it, or bust two books against each other, but I do like this method and have had some success with it.
With time though you will get a feel what works for you. I had a bit of trouble adjusting to this concept and used to ask people "c'mon what would you do in this situation", but the fact is there is no right or wrong way and you tend to accept that after a while an just get stuck in. You just need to think about what you're doing.

G'day All (me again)
I've just worked out a possible dutch for the nba tonight using a freeplay bonus but would just like to make sure my figures are correct before I put the wagers on. My gut instinct is telling me i've done something wrong so here goes...
They are:
New York Knicks +10, odds 1.91 @bethorizon, wager £150 freeplay to win £136
Boston Celtics 10, odds 2.04 @pinnies, wager £131 to win £136
So total staked is £281 to win £272 whatever the result. £9 quid loss is that right? Also with the first wager being freeplay do I have to factor in the snr at all?
Thanks in advance,
BE

Originally Posted by bold_eagle26
New York Knicks +10, odds 1.91 @bethorizon, wager £150 freeplay to win £136
Boston Celtics 10, odds 2.04 @pinnies, wager £131 to win £136
Knicks win you have a +£136 and a £131 so you make £5 overall.
Celtics win you win £136 and lose your freeplay (so £0) and make £136 overall.
You wont get the stake back on the freeplay. You probably wont to get longer odds and also back much less on the opposing team to factor in you will have a wagering if the freeplay wins. (In my opinion).
Have a plan and stick to it

Originally Posted by Andy
Knicks win you have a +£136 and a £131 so you make £5 overall.
Celtics win you win £136 and lose your freeplay (so £0) and make £136 overall.
You wont get the stake back on the freeplay. You probably wont to get longer odds and also back much less on the opposing team to factor in you will have a wagering if the freeplay wins. (In my opinion).
Thanks once again Andy for helping me out on this. I will get my head round it eventually. When you say back opposing team for less i'm assuming you mean back celtics @pinnies for a lot less than the £131 I suggested in my previous post? Maybe 2030% underdutch?
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