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  1. 03/08/2009 14:56 #1
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    Asian Handicaps - An Introduction

    Overview
    Eventually while completing wagering (or even arbing) it is very useful to start using asian handicaps, and you can use exactly the same dutching calculator for these (except with split asian handicaps as mentioned below).

    Asian handicaps are typically used to reduce a bet to two outcomes. For instance, in football they remove the draw from the equation by assigning each side a starting handicap.


    Simplest option - the half goal handicap (+/-0.5)
    Probably the most commonly used handicap is -0.5/+0.5. With this handicap the favourite (Team A) is given a handicap of half a goal (-0.5) and the other side (Team B) is given a half goal advantage (+0.5) goals.

    If you back Team A at one bookie and Team B +0.5 at an asian book then:
    • If Team A wins you win at first bookie.
    • If it is a draw then because Team B have +0.5 goals added to their total you win at the asian book.
    • If Team B win you win at the asian book.
    As you can see anything but a win for Team A means you win at the asian book, so effectively you have only 2 possible results.


    A cheaper alternative - laying the -0.5 selection on an exchange
    An alternative to dutching these asian handicaps (if you don’t have any asian books yet) is laying them at Betdaq or Betmate, where they can be layed at 2% commission. So for instance what you would do is back the favourite at the bookie and if the market is there at Betdaq lay the -0.5.


    Other common Asian Handicaps
    Other common Asian Handicaps you may see include:

    • 0/0 (also known as Draw No Bet or 'Pk' (for 'Pick one (or the other!)' at US books))
    • -1/+1
    • -1.5/+1.5
    • -2/+2
    • -2.5/+2.5
    • 0,-0.5/0,+0.5 (sometimes shown as -0.25/+0.25 or -1/4 / +1/4)
    • -0.5,1/+0.5,1 (sometimes shown as -0.75/+0.75 or -3/4 / +3/4)
    If you are dutching these handicaps then you have to make sure you are dutching like with like (e.g dutch -2.5 with +2.5).


    Push results and 'push theft'
    The first in the list above (AH(0) or DNB) removes the draw from the equation altogether, so you back each side without any goals added or taken away and if it is a draw you stakes are refunded. Alternatively you can back one side at normal match odds, the other side at AH(0) and cover the draw elsewhere. There are a few bookies like Interwetten that take 10% of stakes back on AH(0) if it is a draw, but fortunately dutching calculators exist to take account of that.


    Split Asian Handicaps
    The last two in the list above are known as split asian handicaps. Half of your stake goes on the first part of the handicap and half on the second part. In other words if you have £50 on Team A at -0.25 you have £25 at AH(0) and £25 at -0.5.


    Spreadsheets for calculating stakes for dutching with Asian Handicaps
    Dutching with asian handicaps can be quite tricky. Fortunately, there are some brilliant people around who have created a raft of spreadsheets that will calculate these (and many others) for you. Examples of these are Dutchbus and Grumblebus and a couple of links to one are given below for you to download:

    http://www.thegamblingtimes.com/boar...goals-etc.html


    Dutching European Handicaps (EH) against Asian Handicaps (AH)
    It is also possible to dutch European Handicaps (EH), which include the draw as a result, with Asian Handicaps (AH). Examples of common mixed AH/EH dutching possibilities are given below:
    • Dutch EH -1/ AH +1.5
    • Dutch EH -2/ AH +2.5
    • Dutch EH +1/ AH -0.5
    There are many others, but here is an example of how this works using the first in the list:

    Man Utd v West Ham
    • Book A has Man Utd EH -1 at odds of 2.1
    • Asian Book has West Ham AH +1.5 at odds of 1.95
    A 2.1/1.95 dutch is a 1.11% arb according to the dutching calculator.

    The possible results with these selections above are:
    • If Man Utd win by more than 1 goal you win at book A.
    • If Man Utd win by 1 goal it counts as a draw at Book A (because you take 1 goal off their score), but you win at the asian book because West Ham get 1.5 goals added to their score.
    • If it is a draw or West Ham win you win at the asian book again.

    Advantages and Disadvantages of dutching with Asian Handicaps
    Dutching using Asian Handicaps has the same advantages and disadvantages as plain dutching, but there are rarely any problems with limits at Asian books where you can usually get at least £1K on any bet and often a lot more. I also find that there are far more opportunities to dutch for profit than would otherwise be available.

    Whenever I spot an arb whether it is by normal dutching or against an exchange I have a quick look at my asian books and see if I can use asian handicaps as a more profitable alternative. Even if odds look like they are getting close I will often do the same thing and find a profit can be made.


    Asian Handicap specialist books
    There are a number of Asian Handicap specialist books. These include:
    • Mansion88
    • 188bet
    • 12bet
    • Sbobet
    • Pinnacle
    All of these, apart from Sbobet, offer good signup offers. They do have rather large wagering requirements, but once you start using them you will soon get through them by dutching against other books and you should make a profit on every single bet.


    Warnings and gotchas
    One word of warning, if you try to dutch in-play using asian handicaps you need to be aware that any goals already scored in a game are already taken into account.

    For example if you have backed Team A to win at a bookie and failed to get the lay in at the exchange before play starts and you found it in-play at an asian book, if the score is already 1-0 when you get to the asian book and it ends 1-0 then effectively it is a draw at the asian book as no further goals were scored after you bet.

    Further reading
    See also:

    The Gambling Times - Threads Tagged with asian handicap
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    Cheers for the information, Dutching finally clicked into place for me juist as the football season finished, i'm looking forward to the new season as i can see how much more profitable it is using simple +0.5 Dutches ( i havent figures out 3-way dutching quite yet).

    I've only got a 188bet account at the moment, any recommendations on which one to open up next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by s0095063 View Post
    Cheers for the information, Dutching finally clicked into place for me juist as the football season finished, i'm looking forward to the new season as i can see how much more profitable it is using simple +0.5 Dutches ( i havent figures out 3-way dutching quite yet).

    I've only got a 188bet account at the moment, any recommendations on which one to open up next?
    To be fair they are all good and will all turn up the best odds at one time or another. Mansion88 and 12 bet both offer decent signups without a massive deposit required, so try either of those. You can also add Sbobet which never seems to have a bonus, but then you won't have a big WR to worry about either.
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    Very good guide thanks Bill. You might want to make it clear that 'DNB' stands for 'draw no bet' somewhere (fairly obvious from your description perhaps but doesn't actually explicitly say so).

    Also a link to Pokebus' spreadsheets on this forum is:

    http://www.thegamblingtimes.com/boar...goals-etc.html

    which might be better to use in your guide since it will hopefully get maintained (ie in the case the link you posted changes).

    See also:

    The Gambling Times - Threads Tagged with asian handicap

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    I have added the link and made reference to Draw No bet explicit.
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    Great job, bioboybill! Also worth mentioning that in US books Draw no bet or
    (0) AH is referred as "PK"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MITK View Post
    Great job, bioboybill! Also worth mentioning that in US books Draw no bet or
    (0) AH is referred as "PK"
    Yes, I forgot about that. Added now.
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    A couple more of my threads that might be useful for AH beginners.

    http://www.thegamblingtimes.com/boar...ing-chart.html

    http://www.thegamblingtimes.com/boar...all-float.html
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    I think bet365 have one of the best AH around

    you can take -1 on the team who arent favs! i had Watford once away to ipswich -1 @ 5/1, they were 2-0 up before ipswich scored late on so it went down as a push (i also backed watford at 9/4)
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    Hi,

    This one just isnt clicking for me yet so perhaps someone could use this real example from sat bogof

    I have a BF account but for the purposes of this I will be using WH and betdaq BD )

    Now the odds I see for WH are west brom 1.73 and ipswich 4 and at BD lay odds of 1.86 and 5.9. Now normally that means I would lose £1.84 on the qualifier of £20.

    Now the BD odds are AH -0.5/1 2.17 on west brom and +AH 0.5/1 1.93.

    So can/how do I use this to get a lower qualifier please?

    Really would appreciate some help/explaination.
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