Researching bookmakers and finding new offers
This thread was sparked from something I read in the chat box; that most of the offers out there aren’t posted on the forums.
I know the likes of dookie on mse find loads of offers before anyone else.
My question is what are people’s strategies for finding these offers?
can't just be a case of google?
It can be advantageous to you (and your group, if part of one) to find offers first before the masses sign up. Not only are you less likely to get the offer pulled (because you aren't the mass of numbers) but, more importantly, when you (and the group) want paying out, you can post it on heavy-traffic sites where a % of readers will deposit thus creating the best chance for your payout to be successful.
Unfortunately, those late to the party stand a better chance of not getting paid if the company gets into cash flow problems. Of course, they (the latecomers) also benefit from finding a book they knew nothing and, of course, may well get paid - not every new or obscure offer is a non-payer.
Although Google is obviously available to all, it's probably no luck that some of the same people are able to find obscure offers before everyone else. However, you could start by creating a new email address (in case you're spammed the hell out of!) and sign up to all the places you can think of which would give you news on new bookmakers and so on. You may get the odd hit you wouldn't otherwise have gotten... you may not though.
Thats probably true in some ways, but it is rare that the site/offer is not posted about somewhere it just may not have been mentioned this week, but go back a bit and its in there.
Originally Posted by AllGone
Look at some regulators sites, who has a licence, look at the site, do they have a bonus?
Originally Posted by AllGone
As above but with any software company that offers white lable solutions.
Which sites have "sister" sites in the group, look for those.
Get on the E-mail lists of industry/trade conferences, when a new site is coming up you usually get told about it before it launches.
It is very very rare and we are trying to stop there being any sportsbook we have between us at TGT joined and made money from missing in the reviews. They are all there and we are trying to link them to the last forum post RE The bonus but it is ongoing and the bonuses change so much so quickly it is better to not have wrong info but let people check themselves. But they are all in there, for example Dafabet was in there for a full month maybe six weeks before I got round to mentioning it in the forum (and by then it looked like the bonus had ended fortunately it extended). The site was available to anybody who scrolled through the reviews for a long time though.
It is a very good start.
Originally Posted by AllGone
Have a plan and stick to it
How do people go about researching bookies? I'm always amazed at just how much information a lot of experienced AP'ers get before taking the plunge with SUB's.
If the bookie is licensed, who the owner is, the address of the bookie, WHOIS? (still need to get clued up on what WHOIS means) and many many more facts I'm sure.
I still consider myself to be novice although I started trading/matchbetting in 2007. I would just like to say how grateful I am for all the hard work and effort a lot of members/mods go through researching and testing out the lesser known bookmakers, making life easier for the likes of myself and many others to jump in and make a few quid. Without it I probably wouldn't of touched half the bookmakers I've signed up for let alone dipping my toes in to the US books
“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines, sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.” – Mark Twain
I was wondering whether anyone would like to share any tips on how to research offers. specifically, whether they use google/etc searches, whether they simply check sportsbook/casino websites over and over again, or whether there's any other ideas out there
Some people might say that I should go out and learn to do it myself, and fair enough, but I'd say that teaching a few offer-researching-techniques could benefit this forum as it'd lead (hopefully) to more offers being posted overall
thanks in advance
edit: d'oh - thanks to whoever moved it!
Licence - check on the regulator's site and write to them if needs be. Same goes for IBAS etc if the site lists being registered to that arbitration process. These external sites aren't always up-to-date.
Originally Posted by bold_eagle26
Owner - the times I've "researched" sites popping up, I don't recall anyone from a company responding to a request of "please tell me who owns the operation". Then again, you're not always dealing in the "norm" of industry where things can be easily found out. Pinnies wiki: "Although it has never been confirmed by Pinnacle, former Intertops founder and WWTS executive Simon Noble is believed to be their CEO".
Rep - player forums and sites like this, BMR, SBR and many others will pop up with info, complaints, payouts and so on. Obviously one of the issues with player information is that it isnt always accurate - we cannot see if someone complaining gnomedx145 some bookmaker when they write a complaint.
Servers - you can use a site like this to find the ip of the server a site is on. It will also show other sites running from the same ip. You could then look for the country location of the server.
Whois - if it's not hidden (registered "secretly") then you can see registrant details. However, the name/address may relate to someone registering on behalf of the real registrant so not always telling anyway. You can see date registered from and to, and some other things.
Really, there are no secrets to sportsbook evaluation in terms of safety and so on unless you really can get some kind of inside information about an operation, know their finances, their ethics etc.
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