21kbet - Scam site

[Andy]

The following is a diary of the reviewers experience there, it has gone on for almost two months and we are now more than certain they are a scam, we would normally do three reviews per site to get a more balanced feel of is it actually any good but in this instance that would be throwing good money after bad.

Early November = Deposited, all went well, bonus added instantly and free to bet with it.

CS response time, two hours by Email, Odds very poor, limits OK, Range of markets poor.

Went on run of bets, some win, some lose, early Dec try to withdraw.

Withdrawals by Bank Transfer only despite depositing by Moneybookers, sent off relevant ID and details, told it can take 12 days.

12 Days later, no withdrawal has been paid, Email about it.

21kbet say that Moneybookers have never paid them the initial deposit and they cant pay the withdrawal until they do. (This has never happened before and regardless there is a Net profit they could still JUST pay that then and sort out the other as/when Mbookers transfer, they do not agree)

Moneybookers say there is no problem and they will investigate, send them all correspondance.

Early Jan 21kbet are still saying there is a fault with Moneybookers and nothing more they can do it is out of their hands.

After continuing to now complain to Moneybookers saying either 21kbet is a scam and they should stop working with them, or send them the money if they are telling the truth (less likely), Moneybookers refund the initial deposit made to 21kbet but say they cant help with the winnings.

There is now the bizarre situation that actually the 21kbet reason for not paying IS true, since Moneybookers refunded the deposit after we complained it was fraud, which if they had planned all along is ingenious! Moneybookers are not saying a lot and we are not sure how much of the refund we got because I (Andy) intervened and contacted a friend of mine who works there and the reviewer may not even have got the MB deposit refunded without that.

The situation now is 21kbet still owe a Net amount of X Euros, we do not expect to ever see this. Do not play here, obviously.

[ElPresidente]

(source: Sportsbook Review Newswires)

01.04.2012 12:27 PM

21KBet (SBR rating D-) is currently not paying players that deposited via Moneybookers. In an unusual twist, 21KBet pins the blame on Moneybookers by claiming that the eWallet service "does not pay" deposited funds. The most bizarre aspect of 21KBet's assertions is that funds sent by a user to their Moneybookers account is immediately available in their balance. The sportsbook is suggesting that it cannot withdraw those deposits to an off-line bank account - another matter entirely, one that players are not responsible for.

SBR followed up with Moneybookers, who stated that 21KBet is not a registered gaming merchant and that it was investigating on its own the player reports of no-pay. Nevertheless, both personal and business accounts are able to receive and send funds through the Moneybookers platform. The advantages of being a registered gaming merchant is to not have any outgoing transfer limits; the distinction is not relevant in this case, as neither party has suggested a transfer limit has been reached.

21KBet: Moneybookers does not pay us money players deposited 21kbet therefore can not pay players who have deposited by Moneybookers, if within 15 days Moneybookers does not solve the problem, we will have to return the money deposited to the players who have deposited by Moneybookers.

Moneybookers: I would like to inform you that 21kbet.com is currently not one of our registered gaming merchants and we are already investigating the reported cases of deposits from our customers to them.

Thirteen users have reported being slow-paid $11,514 by 21KBet. The sportsbook has been initiated with a rating of D- within the SBR Sportsbook Blacklist.

[AllGone]

Strange situation, 21kBet must not be telling the truth

[ElPresidente]

(source: Sportsbook Review Newswires 01.11.2012 05:49 PM)

21KBet (SBR rating D-) is misleading players by claiming to be licensed by the Lotteries and Gaming Authority (LGA) of Malta. No such license exists. The LGA released a statement indicating that 21KBet has no connection whatsoever to the LGA. The 21KBet website claims to be headquartered in Malta. SBR has received forwarded emails from a 21KBet manager that went so far as to produce a bogus LGA registration number. The emails targeted players for deposits.

Nineteen players have reported not being paid. Fourteen of the players deposited to 21KBet via Moneybookers. These players' balances total €20,192. SBR reported on 4 January 2012 that 21KBet blamed Moneybookers for the eWallet delays, stating that it had no access to deposited funds. Moneybookers released a statement to SBR denying that 21KBet was an authorized merchant. 21KBet used a personal Moneybookers account to receive player deposits. Six players deposited with the sportsbook by bank transfer. One player confirmed being paid €670. 21KBet refused to pay the others, claiming player fraud.

21KBet continues to provide generic updates to SBR regarding the deceptive marketing and the delinquent payment requests. 21KBet is on the scam sportsbook blacklist at D-.

[munk]

See also:

Malta Warns Rogue Operator; UK Hears from Regulators | Online Gambling News

[karambawetten]

anybody got caught in here ?