Some/lots of queries with US books

[steven_735]

Hi,

I've been reading through here about U.S sportsbooks and am thinking about giving it a bash. However i have some queries!!!

(1) firstly, by the sounds of things i am going to need either a dollar account or transfer a fair amount into a Neteller dollar account to avoid constant transfer fees. i dont not have a Neteller account so if someone wants to do a referral 'deal'!?

(2) Next, i need a betfair account in U.S dollars. I have one in £'s but can i have 2 accounts with them?? Once again, am i elible for referrals etc??

(3) Bookmakers, i can allocate a fairly decent amount to this so would be open to the big offers. Can anyone advise which are the best?

(4) Looks like some of the bookmakers are linked together so i would need if i can have bonuses at both? I saw a recommendation that it is good to have the biggest bonus at one and reduced 'vig' at the other. What is vig?

(4) The bonuses, the good part!. To my understanding initially most are open to negotiation on the % on offer. Which ones would you experienced guys recommend to barter with most?

(5) Reloads, this seems to be where they work best. Basically most of them offer you decent reloads when you go through all your money?? I guess it would make sense to try and lose more at ones that give you bigger reloads? - any advice as to which ones these are?
With the reloads, do i need to chase them up for them or will they email me?

Also are reload percentages negotiable too?

(6) Can any of you guys help with referrals/kickbacks on sportsbooks?

(7) Safety and meeting requirements.
Probably one the most important things. Sounds as if it is a risk with all US sportsbooks as they can go under more than uk ones. I want to start on the safer ones so would like advice on the biggest, 'safest' ones i can. Also if they go bust what is the likelyhood you would get your money back?

And it seems that it can be hard to get the bonuses sometimes even though requirements have been met? How do i deal with these guys and which ones are they likely to be?

(8) Most likely it is only US sports that i will be able to bet on??
And college basketball is a good one because its on everyday? Ideally i'm looking to find odds with a middle on the off chance it finished there and i win at both books?

(9) are any of you guys on msn so that i can contact you/verfify i am doing things correctly initially?

I think i have covered everything i have read but i am sure there will be a few things that i haven't considered so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks in advance

[joeyboyuk]

I'm just starting out like you, but have been wondering about a lot of the things you asked about. Here is what I think so far, although like i said i'm new to this so am far from an expert!

(1) firstly, by the sounds of things i am going to need either a dollar account or transfer a fair amount into a Neteller dollar account to avoid constant transfer fees. i dont not have a Neteller account so if someone wants to do a referral 'deal'!?

Most people on here recommend having a closed loop of dollars. So basically open either neteller of moneybookers $ account, dump in however much you can to start with, and basically just leave it in there. Dont convert back until you quit mb'ing! This way, with no conversion fee's you'll save a hell of a lot. Might be a bad time to do it right now tho with the dollar/gbp rate falling, but who knows what will happen with that! Neteller referal is pretty crappy I think, $20 or so, so not really worth it.

(2) Next, i need a betfair account in U.S dollars. I have one in £'s but can i have 2 accounts with them?? Once again, am i elible for referrals etc??

I think you can just open a second neteller account in dollars, although you wont be able to claim the sign on bonuses again. There is also a US exchange called matchbook which might be better for US sports, although i'm yet to try this.

(3) Bookmakers, i can allocate a fairly decent amount to this so would be open to the big offers. Can anyone advise which are the best?

Most of the bookies tend to offer simnilar bonuses (15-30% cash). I'd recommend just going for the safest and most reputable books first, check out the tgt links or sbr reviews.

(4) Looks like some of the bookmakers are linked together so i would need if i can have bonuses at both? I saw a recommendation that it is good to have the biggest bonus at one and reduced 'vig' at the other. What is vig?

I'm not sure which bonuses can be claimed amongst sister sites, but yeah i've read too about reduced line at one and bonuses at another so this may be the best way. Always check on live chat about bonus eligibility. I think "vig" is just the house edge. eg. so on a handicap the lines for each team would be -110 -110 at most books, if you take reduced vig these would be -108 -108

(4) The bonuses, the good part!. To my understanding initially most are open to negotiation on the % on offer. Which ones would you experienced guys recommend to barter with most?

Ask them all, will only waste a few mins and nothing to lose!

(5) Reloads, this seems to be where they work best. Basically most of them offer you decent reloads when you go through all your money?? I guess it would make sense to try and lose more at ones that give you bigger reloads? - any advice as to which ones these are?
With the reloads, do i need to chase them up for them or will they email me?

Most reloads only seem to be available if you bust out, so underlaying to bust out in 1 seems best course of action!

(6) Can any of you guys help with referrals/kickbacks on sportsbooks?

I think kidpoker is the man to talk to about this!

(7) Safety and meeting requirements.
Probably one the most important things. Sounds as if it is a risk with all US sportsbooks as they can go under more than uk ones. I want to start on the safer ones so would like advice on the biggest, 'safest' ones i can. Also if they go bust what is the likelyhood you would get your money back?
And it seems that it can be hard to get the bonuses sometimes even though requirements have been met? How do i deal with these guys and which ones are they likely to be?

Just check the reviews and only go with ones that are rated highly. If you are just starting out there will be loads!

(8) Most likely it is only US sports that i will be able to bet on??
And college basketball is a good one because its on everyday? Ideally i'm looking to find odds with a middle on the off chance it finished there and i win at both books?

The baseball season is underway, but all other US sports seasons seem to be coming to a close, so baseball is the way to go. Make sure you check out rules with listed pitchers etc!

(9) are any of you guys on msn so that i can contact you/verfify i am doing things correctly initially?

You wouldnt want me to check, i'm the king of cock-ups!

[Super_Dash]

Alot of these things can be answered with a bit of research yourself.

http://www.thegamblingtimes.com/boar...g-us-book.html

Is a decent starting place. But if your serious about doing this, look around and read for yourself. If your still at the point where your unsure of the calculations and need re-assurance your doing things correctly, dedicate alot to it might be a crazy idea. Could go in softer and invest more as your going, but if you've already used the UK books and know how to dutch, shouldn't be too much to learn other than stuff covered in the other thread/(s) around.

[kidpoker]

If anyone wants any personally help, i am here. Pm me, also, i talk to a lot of people at first on messenger. It is much easier to really explain things that ways sometimes. If i had extra time right now i would answer all these questions. But i am in an airport on my way to a beach, so once i get there and settle in, i will answer what I can.

[Andy]

(1) firstly, by the sounds of things i am going to need either a dollar account or transfer a fair amount into a Neteller dollar account to avoid constant transfer fees. i dont not have a Neteller account so if someone wants to do a referral 'deal'!?

A $s funding method is indeed essential, either moneybookers (if VIP) or Neteller would be the way to do this.

I am not being funny about this second point and please take it as it is intended but RE the "referrel deal" you are talking about 16 Euros, and if that is actually on your mind you do not have the right attitude to "do" US sites. I have tried three times to write that as i mean and it still is not quite right. It is not necessarily aimed at you either but you will have to be a bit casual to do this successfully and doing a RAF deal for 16 Euros should not cross your mind, if it does consider if you have the bankroll or attitude to make this a success. I am not saying doing the RAF thing is a bad idea you have nothing to lose and 16 Euros to gain, im not coming at it from that angle, it is just that you even bother to mention it that sets alarm bells ringing.

(2) Next, i need a betfair account in U.S dollars. I have one in £'s but can i have 2 accounts with them?? Once again, am i elible for referrals etc??

Yes you can have two accounts.

Point two as above! Alarm bells really ringing now.

(3) Bookmakers, i can allocate a fairly decent amount to this so would be open to the big offers. Can anyone advise which are the best?

There is no easy answer to that, all of them have different +s and -s with the usual rule of thumb being the ones with better rewards will have more risk and potential trouble. Also some are great as reloads are available, others just sign up, etc etc. I still think HeroesCasino is worth a shout and I have a balance there, but expect a few weeks delays being paid, but you might bust anyway. Casineto as above actually, you could do them vs matchbook (betfair for the Yankees) again the sites i mention there have some delays being paid. BetRoyal would pay you quicker but is a larger bonus and the risk there is they pay you or just dont at all, there is no middle ground. BetEd might be OK to start, that is probably the most "middle of the road" site you will find in terms of deposit amount and wagering, amount of bonus, stability and payout times?

(4) Looks like some of the bookmakers are linked together so i would need if i can have bonuses at both? I saw a recommendation that it is good to have the biggest bonus at one and reduced 'vig' at the other. What is vig?

Yes quite a few are and they swap and change and merge quite a lot, it is hard to keep up! If you can set it that way do, it is always a good idea to get on live chat before you deposit if you suspect the site is linked and ask upfront what you can/cant have. If they decline anything just move on.

RE Vig i dont actually know what it stands for but they mean "juice" or "margin" i suppose is the other way to put it. US sites traditionally work differently to UK, in the UK the market stays the same and the odds move up and down. In the US they always have about Evens either side and move the line, but the odds are always the same. The "Vig" means that two sites may have the line at Over 121 points total, but the one may have odds of -110 which is normal and the other has -105 which is the reduced "Vig". It basically means better odds.

(4) The bonuses, the good part!. To my understanding initially most are open to negotiation on the % on offer. Which ones would you experienced guys recommend to barter with most?

Not necessarily most but some, typically the dodgier they are the more liberal the bonus policy, they will tell you anything and promise anything knowing full well once your $s are in then A) You might bust it and they win or B) You win a lot and they can just change the T&Cs they told you anyway you cant do anything, they have the $s at that stage not you the ball is in their court.

Which doesnt mean they will always do that, but be aware it does happen. Most high profile site you can do that with is probably SBG, maybe followed by 24SprtsWeb.

(5) Reloads, this seems to be where they work best. Basically most of them offer you decent reloads when you go through all your money?? I guess it would make sense to try and lose more at ones that give you bigger reloads? - any advice as to which ones these are?
With the reloads, do i need to chase them up for them or will they email me?

Yes you have it exactly, that is right. The reloads are advertised on the websites, some E-mail you specifically but as a rule they are an ongoing thing, it is pretty rare that you will bust somewhere and have a -ve balance and NOT be able to get a reload on your next deposit.

(6) Can any of you guys help with referrals/kickbacks on sportsbooks?

Kidpoker is your best bet, some times it can be worth quite a bit and with him you will get assistance along the way should you need it. If something went wrong TGT would take some responsibility for that, if you venture into something with anyone else it is your look out. Failing those please just go through the TGT lists.

(7) Safety and meeting requirements.
Probably one the most important things. Sounds as if it is a risk with all US sportsbooks as they can go under more than uk ones. I want to start on the safer ones so would like advice on the biggest, 'safest' ones i can. Also if they go bust what is the likelyhood you would get your money back?

Sorry but it is not possible to say, i wish i could and im getting cross with myself writing all this becasue i really am coming accross as a miserable git making trouble/being negative and unhelpfull. I really am not meaning to. But it is impossible to say SiteA is safer than SiteB in the future, all reviews can ever do is say what has happened in the past, and i garuntee that by the time you know a site is in trouble it will be two weeks too late to do anything about it. Your best guide is to ask in the forum about siteA could someone please say the last time they withdrew and how long it took, that will get you the most up to date info possible and your best guide. The TGT lists are not bad as a guide and so is SBR but seriously it is still guessing and based on the past not the future.

If you have to ask the question "If they go bust what are the chances of getting your money back" = Again alarm bells are ringing!

And it seems that it can be hard to get the bonuses sometimes even though requirements have been met? How do i deal with these guys and which ones are they likely to be?

Most bonuses are credited up front, it is not getting the bonus will be a problem it is getting paid. RE how to deal with them, well if i had to sum it up in word word then "patience", that is the key. Dont rush or get stressed or be rude or hurried, stay calm, detach, be assertive but polite and dont overplay your hand. Assess your position as time goes on and dont necessarily play for a win, sometimes it becomes damage limitation and the right and wrongs of it doesnt matter, start trying to get out with what you can.

(8) Most likely it is only US sports that i will be able to bet on??
And college basketball is a good one because its on everyday? Ideally i'm looking to find odds with a middle on the off chance it finished there and i win at both books?

The US sports will have the most/best odds and lines so yes you will use them most. RE Middles yes that is right.

(9) are any of you guys on msn so that i can contact you/verfify i am doing things correctly initially?

You can use the chat box at the top of the forum for instant messaging, or it is unlikely a post would go too long without being read on the forum anyway

I think i have covered everything i have read but i am sure there will be a few things that i haven't considered so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks in advance

I am just going to say now i am sorry with my responses, i just re-read it and they are just so negative and unhelpfull it is untrue. BUT im leaving it as it is better you see all the risks and that we are talking a lot of money here this is not messing about, it is both difficult and risky and not everyone can do it, and it is better to see that now and be pleasantly suprised than think you can just start making $100s a month just like that based on a few hours reading a fourm.

Seriously consider do you think you will be able to do it, we have not met and you may well be 10x better at it than me and PLEASE do come back to this thread and post "F*** you Andy" and post all the RAF money you made and the $100s from the bonuses and where etc etc, i would love to see that. But it is a serious point i make, not everyone can/will be able to do it, and some who do have the skills will just get unlucky.

Please reply to this, i will be more helpfull next time but your Qs this time were a bit vaugue to specifically try to give advice. Maybe ask Evil Mickey, i will ask him to read this thread, he is probably more likely to be positive than me. Again, i am sorry it is negative, it is good to see you here and posting, i do enjoy a lively debate. How did you find the site and what other types of gambling are you into?

[dulence]

Your response is everything but unhelpful, sure a bit pessimistic maybe but the bottom line is that everyone has to decide and think for themselves and you have done an excellent job at outlining the salient points. As for the posts (the marathon ones ), keep them coming. As a relative newbie I find them very educational, negative or not.

[Super_Dash]

Your response is everything but unhelpful, sure a bit pessimistic maybe but the bottom line is that everyone has to decide and think for themselves and you have done an excellent job at outlining the salient points. As for the posts (the marathon ones ), keep them coming. As a relative newbie I find them very educational, negative or not.

Nonsense! "Join Date: 18/03/2009" your an old hand at this now.

RE : What to start with.

As opposed to Betyoal/BetED, i'd suggest some nice A grade bookies like Pinnaclesports / BetCris / Legendz / 5Dimes.

As close to risk free as your gonna get, Pinnies / 5Dimes are invaluable resources to have and Legendz low limits atleast will help you learn your trade.

[ronaldn]

A point I would like to stress is.... Make sure you have enough of a bankroll to cover you in case the bets go the wrong way. If you go on a long winning streak at the book you want to bust the bonus out of it could be disastrous if you don't have the bankroll to keep playing until you have reached wr (wager requirement). My recommendation is at least 4 times the amount you have deposited in the book you want the money to go to. For example, if you deposit $1000 into the bonus book (book A), with a 10 time wr, and $1000 into the book you want the money to go to (book B) then a reserve BR of $4000 should be very safe. I admit this is a bit conservative but I have seen some long winning streaks at book A that can try your patience as well as your bankroll. This amount can also vary by the wr. A 3 time wr doesn't need as big of a reserve BR as a 10 time wr does. JMHO. Hope this helps and you don't mind my jumping in here.

[Andy]

This thread may help BlowingBubbles is starting now too, and asked almost what you did but a week ago, you could try to sort of copy him/ask him/ post in there and all share ideas?

http://www.thegamblingtimes.com/boar...tml#post166449

[steven_735]

just got in from the pub abd hada quick look through. Cheers Andy, some good advice there and apreciate your time writing it. Also thanks to everyone else for comments.

Will get some sleep now but reply tomorrow when more sober!