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20/05/2009, 09:00
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Some/lots of queries with US books
Hi,
I've been reading through here about U.S sportsbooks and am thinking about giving it a bash. However i have some queries!!! (1) firstly, by the sounds of things i am going to need either a dollar account or transfer a fair amount into a Neteller dollar account to avoid constant transfer fees. i dont not have a Neteller account so if someone wants to do a referral 'deal'!? (2) Next, i need a betfair account in U.S dollars. I have one in £'s but can i have 2 accounts with them?? Once again, am i elible for referrals etc?? (3) Bookmakers, i can allocate a fairly decent amount to this so would be open to the big offers. Can anyone advise which are the best? (4) Looks like some of the bookmakers are linked together so i would need if i can have bonuses at both? I saw a recommendation that it is good to have the biggest bonus at one and reduced 'vig' at the other. What is vig? (4) The bonuses, the good part!. To my understanding initially most are open to negotiation on the % on offer. Which ones would you experienced guys recommend to barter with most? (5) Reloads, this seems to be where they work best. Basically most of them offer you decent reloads when you go through all your money?? I guess it would make sense to try and lose more at ones that give you bigger reloads? - any advice as to which ones these are? With the reloads, do i need to chase them up for them or will they email me? Also are reload percentages negotiable too? (6) Can any of you guys help with referrals/kickbacks on sportsbooks? (7) Safety and meeting requirements. Probably one the most important things. Sounds as if it is a risk with all US sportsbooks as they can go under more than uk ones. I want to start on the safer ones so would like advice on the biggest, 'safest' ones i can. Also if they go bust what is the likelyhood you would get your money back? And it seems that it can be hard to get the bonuses sometimes even though requirements have been met? How do i deal with these guys and which ones are they likely to be? (8) Most likely it is only US sports that i will be able to bet on?? And college basketball is a good one because its on everyday? Ideally i'm looking to find odds with a middle on the off chance it finished there and i win at both books? (9) are any of you guys on msn so that i can contact you/verfify i am doing things correctly initially? I think i have covered everything i have read but i am sure there will be a few things that i haven't considered so any advice would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks in advance 
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20/05/2009, 12:37
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I'm just starting out like you, but have been wondering about a lot of the things you asked about. Here is what I think so far, although like i said i'm new to this so am far from an expert!
(1) firstly, by the sounds of things i am going to need either a dollar account or transfer a fair amount into a Neteller dollar account to avoid constant transfer fees. i dont not have a Neteller account so if someone wants to do a referral 'deal'!? Most people on here recommend having a closed loop of dollars. So basically open either neteller of moneybookers $ account, dump in however much you can to start with, and basically just leave it in there. Dont convert back until you quit mb'ing! This way, with no conversion fee's you'll save a hell of a lot. Might be a bad time to do it right now tho with the dollar/gbp rate falling, but who knows what will happen with that! Neteller referal is pretty crappy I think, $20 or so, so not really worth it. (2) Next, i need a betfair account in U.S dollars. I have one in £'s but can i have 2 accounts with them?? Once again, am i elible for referrals etc?? I think you can just open a second neteller account in dollars, although you wont be able to claim the sign on bonuses again. There is also a US exchange called matchbook which might be better for US sports, although i'm yet to try this. (3) Bookmakers, i can allocate a fairly decent amount to this so would be open to the big offers. Can anyone advise which are the best? Most of the bookies tend to offer simnilar bonuses (15-30% cash). I'd recommend just going for the safest and most reputable books first, check out the tgt links or sbr reviews. (4) Looks like some of the bookmakers are linked together so i would need if i can have bonuses at both? I saw a recommendation that it is good to have the biggest bonus at one and reduced 'vig' at the other. What is vig? I'm not sure which bonuses can be claimed amongst sister sites, but yeah i've read too about reduced line at one and bonuses at another so this may be the best way. Always check on live chat about bonus eligibility. I think "vig" is just the house edge. eg. so on a handicap the lines for each team would be -110 -110 at most books, if you take reduced vig these would be -108 -108 (4) The bonuses, the good part!. To my understanding initially most are open to negotiation on the % on offer. Which ones would you experienced guys recommend to barter with most? Ask them all, will only waste a few mins and nothing to lose! (5) Reloads, this seems to be where they work best. Basically most of them offer you decent reloads when you go through all your money?? I guess it would make sense to try and lose more at ones that give you bigger reloads? - any advice as to which ones these are? With the reloads, do i need to chase them up for them or will they email me? Most reloads only seem to be available if you bust out, so underlaying to bust out in 1 seems best course of action! (6) Can any of you guys help with referrals/kickbacks on sportsbooks? I think kidpoker is the man to talk to about this! (7) Safety and meeting requirements. Probably one the most important things. Sounds as if it is a risk with all US sportsbooks as they can go under more than uk ones. I want to start on the safer ones so would like advice on the biggest, 'safest' ones i can. Also if they go bust what is the likelyhood you would get your money back? And it seems that it can be hard to get the bonuses sometimes even though requirements have been met? How do i deal with these guys and which ones are they likely to be? Just check the reviews and only go with ones that are rated highly. If you are just starting out there will be loads! (8) Most likely it is only US sports that i will be able to bet on?? And college basketball is a good one because its on everyday? Ideally i'm looking to find odds with a middle on the off chance it finished there and i win at both books? The baseball season is underway, but all other US sports seasons seem to be coming to a close, so baseball is the way to go. Make sure you check out rules with listed pitchers etc! (9) are any of you guys on msn so that i can contact you/verfify i am doing things correctly initially? You wouldnt want me to check, i'm the king of cock-ups!
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21/05/2009, 17:45
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Alot of these things can be answered with a bit of research yourself.
http://www.thegamblingtimes.com/boar...g-us-book.html Is a decent starting place. But if your serious about doing this, look around and read for yourself. If your still at the point where your unsure of the calculations and need re-assurance your doing things correctly, dedicate alot to it might be a crazy idea. Could go in softer and invest more as your going, but if you've already used the UK books and know how to dutch, shouldn't be too much to learn other than stuff covered in the other thread/(s) around.
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21/05/2009, 22:57
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If anyone wants any personally help, i am here. Pm me, also, i talk to a lot of people at first on messenger. It is much easier to really explain things that ways sometimes. If i had extra time right now i would answer all these questions. But i am in an airport on my way to a beach, so once i get there and settle in, i will answer what I can.
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21/05/2009, 23:23
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I am not being funny about this second point and please take it as it is intended but RE the "referrel deal" you are talking about 16 Euros, and if that is actually on your mind you do not have the right attitude to "do" US sites. I have tried three times to write that as i mean and it still is not quite right. It is not necessarily aimed at you either but you will have to be a bit casual to do this successfully and doing a RAF deal for 16 Euros should not cross your mind, if it does consider if you have the bankroll or attitude to make this a success. I am not saying doing the RAF thing is a bad idea you have nothing to lose and 16 Euros to gain, im not coming at it from that angle, it is just that you even bother to mention it that sets alarm bells ringing. Quote:
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RE Vig i dont actually know what it stands for but they mean "juice" or "margin" i suppose is the other way to put it. US sites traditionally work differently to UK, in the UK the market stays the same and the odds move up and down. In the US they always have about Evens either side and move the line, but the odds are always the same. The "Vig" means that two sites may have the line at Over 121 points total, but the one may have odds of -110 which is normal and the other has -105 which is the reduced "Vig". It basically means better odds. Quote:
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Seriously consider do you think you will be able to do it, we have not met and you may well be 10x better at it than me and PLEASE do come back to this thread and post "F*** you Andy" and post all the RAF money you made  and the $100s from the bonuses and where etc etc, i would love to see that. But it is a serious point i make, not everyone can/will be able to do it, and some who do have the skills will just get unlucky. Please reply to this, i will be more helpfull next time but your Qs this time were a bit vaugue to specifically try to give advice. Maybe ask Evil Mickey, i will ask him to read this thread, he is probably more likely to be positive than me. Again, i am sorry it is negative, it is good to see you here and posting, i do enjoy a lively debate. How did you find the site and what other types of gambling are you into?
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22/05/2009, 12:00
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Your response is everything but unhelpful, sure a bit pessimistic maybe but the bottom line is that everyone has to decide and think for themselves and you have done an excellent job at outlining the salient points. As for the posts (the marathon ones
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22/05/2009, 12:28
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RE : What to start with. As opposed to Betyoal/BetED, i'd suggest some nice A grade bookies like Pinnaclesports / BetCris / Legendz / 5Dimes. As close to risk free as your gonna get, Pinnies / 5Dimes are invaluable resources to have and Legendz low limits atleast will help you learn your trade.
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22/05/2009, 12:52
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A point I would like to stress is.... Make sure you have enough of a bankroll to cover you in case the bets go the wrong way. If you go on a long winning streak at the book you want to bust the bonus out of it could be disastrous if you don't have the bankroll to keep playing until you have reached wr (wager requirement). My recommendation is at least 4 times the amount you have deposited in the book you want the money to go to. For example, if you deposit $1000 into the bonus book (book A), with a 10 time wr, and $1000 into the book you want the money to go to (book B) then a reserve BR of $4000 should be very safe. I admit this is a bit conservative but I have seen some long winning streaks at book A that can try your patience as well as your bankroll. This amount can also vary by the wr. A 3 time wr doesn't need as big of a reserve BR as a 10 time wr does. JMHO. Hope this helps and you don't mind my jumping in here.
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22/05/2009, 17:33
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This thread may help BlowingBubbles is starting now too, and asked almost what you did but a week ago, you could try to sort of copy him/ask him/ post in there and all share ideas?
http://www.thegamblingtimes.com/boar...tml#post166449
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22/05/2009, 23:10
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just got in from the pub abd hada quick look through. Cheers Andy, some good advice there and apreciate your time writing it. Also thanks to everyone else for comments.
Will get some sleep now but reply tomorrow when more sober!
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22/05/2009, 23:58
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sorry to hijack the tread
 do all US bookies count WR as the lower of risk/win? cheers
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23/05/2009, 01:31
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No not all, some do the euro style of risk only, others lower of risk/win. Talk to CS they will tell you.
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